Friday Q&A ~ Promises

Deb brings up a great questions about God’s promises:

God’s promises: When He has made a promise to a person or people, are we out of line to claim it for ourselves?

I love this question.

So let me rephrase it: Are all God’s promises for all God’s people?

Clearly that is a stretch. For instance – Sarah was promised a child, but I am pretty sure that if some other woman got up close they could not claim Sarah’s child. In fact Hagar tried (ok – I know the whole thing was Sarah’s idea) but in effect they tried to transfer the child of promise over to Hagar and that did not turn out so well.

Now, let’s talk about some of God’s promises to Israel? Are God’s promises to Israel transferable to the Church?

For example is the promise in 2 Chronicles 7:14 valid for the Church today?

Hmmm

If I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or if I command the locust to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among My people, and My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray, and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. ~ 2 Chronicles 7:13-14

I thought I would include the conditions with this from verse 13.

First of all, I believe that it is really good for God’s people (Christians or Jews) humble themselves, pray, seek His face and turn from wickedness, He will hear, and forgive, and heal their land.

But I also recognize this is a little out of context.

Is God judging today? Is He lifting His hand of blessing?

Or is this true?

Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ, and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation. ~ 1 Corinthians 5:18-19

I guess I wonder if God can both judge unbelievers at the same time He is not counting their trespasses against them?

Now I do count the New Testament promises as for me, you know, the ones Jesus (you know I love the red letters) made – like:

Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go to the Father. And whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it. ~ John 14:12-14

That one is mine, but I am willing to share with you if you like.

I do have a couple other verses to toss in this discussion mix:

For as many as may be the promises of God, in Him they are yes; wherefore also by Him is our Amen to the glory of God through us. ~ 2 Corinthians 1:20

 

...seeing that His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence. 4* For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, in order that by them you might become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust. ~ 2 Peter 1:3-4

Oh - one more thing just for the record Israel or "My People" does not necessarily mean The USA

You may ask – Ben, why aren’t you walking in the same power Jesus did? Well – I can tell you for sure the problem is not at His end.

Will you ponder this with me? What do you think about any of this?

BenThanks for coming by.

See you again soon.

Ben

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  1. cshowers

    This was a great question from Sis Deb, and I enjoyed reading your answer. I agree with you that not all promises from God are for the church or the U.S. or even for us personally. I also agree with you that the Lord spoke 2 Chronicles 7:14 to Solomon and made this promise to Israel.

    However, I believe that the bible did not begin with the New Testament. Rather, it was completed with the New Testament. The Old Testament promises, laws and covenants were not negated by the addition of the New Testament. They were fulfilled by Christ and the New Testament.

    Therefore, when I read, "Then if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land," I hear the Lord speaking to His people throughout the ages...

    Today, this promise is still true for the people of Israel, because they were and are and will continue to be His people. However, when we accepted Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, when God chose us and pulled us up from the mire, we became His people as well. In fact, we even bear His name, for we are called "Christians." And if He sends those various plagues our way, if we humble ourselves and pray and turn from our wicked ways, He will indeed hear us from heaven and heal our land.

    The problem is, (and you briefly touched on it), much of the church thinks that the people of this country, the USA, must humble themselves and pray, but that isn't what the scripture says. It is we, who are called by His name... The Greek definition for Christian is "follower of Christ, with an adjectival ending borrowed from Latin to denote adhering to, or even belonging to, as in slave ownership." Therefore, we Christians, not the US, as you said, really are God's people, and it is we who must humble ourselves as one and pray and seek God's face and turn from our wicked ways, in order for Him to heal our land when He sends various plagues.

    There are also other Old Testament promises that the Lord has spoken to various individuals as well. When I was going through a very dark period in my life, and I felt so unloved and unwanted, the Lord gave me this Old Testament verse, and while it was originally a promise for Jerusalem, it was also God's promise to me as well...

    The Lord your God in your midst,
    The Mighty One, will save;
    He will rejoice over you with gladness,
    He will quiet you with His love,
    He will rejoice over you with singing. (Zephaniah 3:17 NKJV)

    I also love what you wrote here, "You may ask – Ben, why aren’t you walking in the same power Jesus did? Well – I can tell you for sure the problem is not at His end," and all I can say to that is that the same is true for me as well, which gives me yet another good reason to humble myself and pray.

    I truly believe that we cannot separate the New Testament from the Old Testament, because the power of the New Testament is its fulfillment of the Old Testament, and many Old Testament promises are also for the church. After all, we are also His people who are called by His name.

    I truly enjoy reading your teachings, brother. They bless me and make me think, and ponder, and bless God. (Sorry for being so long winded. I truly get excited as I study and meditate on God's word.)

    God bless you,
    Cheryl

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    1. Ben Nelson

      My vision for this little Q&A is exactly this - for us to all put our thinking caps on and play with some of these idea. I am convinced that for most of the "big" questions there are so many facets to examine we will never "get" it all. but when we reason together, as family, and with Father, we can get a whole new light on something we thought we knew.

      I love that you brought up the fact that the Lord has spoken promises from the Word to your heart. That is the big deal in all this.

      You can claim as your's any promise He takes off the pages and places on that wonderful new heart He as given you!

      Thank you Jesus!! - now you have made me very happy Cheryl - thank you!

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  2. noordinaryjoy61

    "Why aren’t you walking in the same power Jesus did? Well – I can tell you for sure the problem is not at His end." Very wise words. What came to mind is that this question - and it's answer - is yet another reason that, in order to find correct context, we need to look at the Bible as a whole, and not just single out certain passages or verses.

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  3. Larry Who

    "...You may ask – Ben, why aren’t you walking in the same power Jesus did? Well – I can tell you for sure the problem is not at His end..."

    Leonard Ravenhill once said, "If I had the faith, I'd lay hands on this desk and turn it into gold. Then, I'd give the whole hunk of gold to some missionary friends who desperately need money right now. I wouldn't keep a penny of it, but I don't have that kind of faith. Yet, I do believe that someday believers with pure child-like faith will do miracles like this and more."

    I'm also not walking in the same power as Jesus, but like Ravenhill, I know there are coming pure-childlike faith filled believers who will walk in the same power as Jesus did. (Just so you know: I haven't given up on me though...)

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  4. Debbie

    Thank you, Mr. Ben! This helps us by reminding us to wait on Him and what He speaks to us from scripture or directly, as His promises to us personally. And you helped me see that there are a lot of promises in the New Testament, from Jesus, to everyone who believes in Him! Great job and great discussion! God bless you as He keeps every promise to you and yours!

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    1. Ben Nelson

      Amen - Yes Please! - thanks Deb for the question, and the conversation. When i started with this Q&A I was not sure people would join in. Seems to be working, so i am thankful.

      this question actually intrigues me a bunch. I do hear (or sense) the Lord speak promises to me from all over the place, and I am so glad of that, glad to receive, and just as glad simply to hear Him speak. Then I hear a preacher take a promise out of the middle of nowhere and promises it to a crowd if they will simply give a good offering, and it makes me crazy.

      Sorry - i am rambling again. Bless you and your family this weekend Deb.

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